Posts by Separation of Powers

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shepherding call

by DesirousOfChange in

you don't say why you are inactive.. if you can control your tongue and not blurt out anything you have learned about ttatt, then perhaps no harm in agreeing to a visit if you feel the need to be polite and cooperative.

no doubt, they will inquire as to why you are inactive.. don't you know it's the truth(tm)?.

don't you know the end(tm) is close?.

Separation of Powers

Sorry, can't make it.

Decline the offer. To have both of them visiting your congregation means that you guys are probably the host for an upcoming Circuit Assembly. If you were once an elder, then I would expect that they will guilt bomb you into getting your act together. If you were never serving, then they probably asked the BOA for a list of those would might "benefit" from a shepherding call. If your wife and kid have no issue with your current situation, then I would suggest you tell them you can't make it. You can probably defray any backlash by approaching both of them at the meeting and thanking them personally.

As Doc has mentioned above, if you have issues with the ORG, these type of visits can go haywire real quick.

SOP

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Awake 1973 banned Witnesses playing Chess..why?

by Witness 007 in

are all articles from jehovahs thoughts or do personal biased views poison the watchtower articles?

imagine a brother who hates chess observing in discust two bethelites playing chess...would it be right to use jehovahs "spiritual food" to push your own warped view....yes!!.

awake 1973 3/22 p.12 chess- "...the spirit of compitition between players can lead to unplesant circumstances...most families can keep comfrontations to the chess board...but for some the tension lingers long past checkmate...chess has been a game of war since its origin...a play substitute for the art of war...there is a danger of "stirring up compitition with one another" even developing hostility towards one another, something the bible warns christians to avoid..what effect does playing chess have apoun one?

Separation of Powers

The "Chess" position of the Society is a clear example of changes things on a whim. It depends on who is running the show. It's OK....It's NOT OK.

It goes back to that question about the 10 commandments...did God make them up? or did God discover them?

If he made them up...then they can change at his discretion (and of course, they did).

If he discovered them...then he is not omniscient (all-knowing)

The Society plays both....they make up rules and then, on a whim, change them.

They "discover" truth, but their truth keeps changing.

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Salty language in old publications?

by Separation of Powers in

years ago, a friend showed me several examples of the"salty" language that appeared in some of the older publications, apparently consolation more than others.

i was wondering if any of you have examples of that with pdf copies.

please don't fake me out and post some photoshop copy of something that isnt real....i am going to use the information to show how rutherford and his cohorts were far from the blessed f&ds.

Separation of Powers

Years ago, a friend showed me several examples of the"salty" language that appeared in some of the older publications, apparently Consolation more than others. I was wondering if any of you have examples of that with PDF copies. Please don't fake me out and post some photoshop copy of something that isnt real....I am going to use the information to show how Rutherford and his cohorts were far from the blessed F&DS

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I have no Real Friends!

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

i have come to a startling and sad realisation!.

i have no real friends!.

i have always been extremely active in every aspect of the org, since childhood.

Separation of Powers

Hey SnaR...

Over the course of a lifetime, we are lucky if are true friends can be counted on one hand. Friends, true friends, are hard to find. To have one, you have to be one. Reach out to someone. Keep active in things that make you happy. You'll find someone. When you do, remember to treat them like a friend, not a JW friend. A JW friend is taught to drive a bus, when the time is right, they will drive it right over you!

Be trustworthy...that is the single most important element of being a friend and it is the simple reason why no JW I have ever known can be a true friend. Everyone is so caught up in being a spy or spied on that relationships are shallow and superficial.

There you go!

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org is dying

by lambsbottom in

i don't understand why so many ex jws and faders think that the jws will continue to grow and thrive as a religion.

i still attend a meeting once a week and you can smell the death of the religion creeping up when you hear the talks, read the study wts and hear the letters from the gb.

the way the organization has changed is a sign that it reached its peak (in "healthy" membership) long ago.

Separation of Powers

@ Vidiot

Lack of relevance is not always an indication of sure demise. The cell phone is one of the single most utilized products in the world, yet the land-line is still visible in may households. The land-line has become increasingly more irrelevant, so too, the organization.

The vitriol that is spewed now is an indication of their own recognition. They know they are becoming irrelevant. They are now grasping at straws. They are trying to rebrand themselves, promoting the once demonized internet, ramping up the fear card, and obligating donations. The problem is systemic, but the outcome will not be its death, unless of course, all other religions die at the same time. If that happens, then they will play that card all the way to the end!

SOP

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org is dying

by lambsbottom in

i don't understand why so many ex jws and faders think that the jws will continue to grow and thrive as a religion.

i still attend a meeting once a week and you can smell the death of the religion creeping up when you hear the talks, read the study wts and hear the letters from the gb.

the way the organization has changed is a sign that it reached its peak (in "healthy" membership) long ago.

Separation of Powers

It is hard to believe that the organization is dying. I think, more likely, it is becoming increasingly less relevant, even to current JW's. People are going through the motions. The talks are taking on a end-of-the-world vibe like they did pre-75.

A couple weeks ago, the CO visited and his talk was about the destruction of Noahs day and Sodom and Gomorrah. "These are a pattern" and "if they happened back then, the end is surely coming and millions perhaps BILLIONS will be destroyed wiped out....will YOU be among them?"

I almost gagged. Then, in his final talk, he talked about how God is an optimist, but the devil is a pessimist. I guess destroying a BILLION people is the optimistic thing to do.

As for growth in 3rd world, well fear mongering still works over there. Life is hard. It is easy to manipulate people and promise them something better. Many are uneducated. Many are looking for connections, social connections, to improve their situations. In time, they will see that it is a sham...just like many here have.

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How Would Your Being Disfellowshipped Affect You?

by minimus in

jw
friends

would you care?.

would there be any repercussions?.

Separation of Powers

For me, it is all about the collateral damage. I don't think that my self-esteem or other aspects of my "self" would be diminished. But, the ones I love and care about might be adversely affected. I have done a good job of fading. My immediate family is on track. Ulitmately, I will disappear into the ether and no JW will even think of me again anyway. That will be a very good day.

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Atlanta Int Convention 2014:The Big Party. Does this look like WT believes Armageddon is coming "soon"?

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=potrr2qxhue.

.. if armageddon is "imminent", why is wt focused on sight-seeing, entertainment, travel, etc.

instead of preaching and saving people??.

Separation of Powers

Don't know what all the fuss is. I got to say, after reading all these comments about how "cultish" the video was, I was expecting something really outrageous. In fact, on Saturday I started watching it (Thanks Cedars) with my wife and it was quite good. Sure it was kind "cutesy" with it's 1950's graphics, but it wasn't over-the-top as so many state. Worst of all, it was so non-over-the-top cultish that my wife loved it!

For me, it was a reminder that this is NOT the organization I was raised in. It is trying to rebrand itself. A LOT of money is to be on the internet and exposure is the key. Just wait, I wouldn't doubt that a paypal symbol pops up on the ORG website. Then, they can make money for ad traffic on their site from PayPal as well.

SOP

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Fred Franz Personal Experiences

by Bob_NC in

there is so little to be found about the personal side of fred franz.

it's as if he was an enigma except for his appearances to give district convention speeches years ago.

there is, of course, ray franz' take on his uncle in his book coc.. please share you first-hand, or second-hand reliable, experiences.

Separation of Powers

Met him at a special talk he gave in our area in the late 70's. Kind. Distant. Automatic. He was like a tape recorder. You press play and he would come to life like some kind of wind up toy. He was viewed as an oracle. Everyone was in awe in his presence. The ORG had created an idol and look what it caused, 1975, the blood doctrine, and who knows how many other idiotic things.

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I'm afraid I'd be single for life

by ohnightdivine in

this is quite embarrassing for me to share, but as a 30+ year old single female i have lingering doubts as to whether i can still meet a decent man and get married.. you all know how difficult it is for sisters to find an appropriate partner in the congregation.. and now, all the more so that i've learned ttatt.

i still am bound by low self-esteem, and i do have trust issues, especially with men.

i am very lonely and so i just keep myself busy with work to avoid depression (although it is also a great source of stress).. any other single females out there having similar thoughts?.

Separation of Powers

Better lonely than miserable---

Being married for the sake of being married is not the answer.

The apostle Paul said "Widen out!" That means expand your horizons. If you are resolute to only marry a JW, than that would mean visiting other congregations, becoming a pioneer, visiting Bethel as a volunteer, doing things that make you noticed by a "climber" who wants to have a sidekick support him in his spiritual mobility.

If you want someone to love, first you must love yourself. Be healthy. Keep in shape. Do little things for yourself like growing in your knowledge of the world, culture, art, wine., music. These things are not "vanity" they are the little things that make us different than the animals. They are a recognition of our abilities. Get to know them!

While you are getting to know them...who knows? maybe someone will want to get to know them with you and VOILA!

SOP